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More post-Mosley thoughts...

by suzeemoon @ Sunday, 27. Jul, 2008 - 21:25:06

I understand now he's won privacy case he's going for libel.
Something not being discussed - presumably as matter of taste - Is whether acting out fascist/Nazi fantasy would be so terrible. I think we can take it as read that fascism and Nazism are horrendous and any sympathies are beyond the pale. But fantasy is surely another issue? I don't share the fantasy, but would not condemn. I understand it would cause distaste, abhorrence and disgust to many, but then so would mere spanking for many. Fantasy is incredibly powerful and if not confused with reality ought to be harmless. We acquire our fantasies from images, ideas and experiences. I know some I read in Friday's book were horrendous and/or distasteful to me, but that does not make them a bad thing.

Susan Sontang wrote an interesting piece back in 1974 on the fascination of fascism:
http://www.history.ucsb.edu/faculty/marcuse/classes/33d/33dTexts/SontagFascinFascism75.htm

There is a general fantasy about uniforms. They suggest community, order, identity (through ranks, badges, medals, things which declare who the wearer is and what he has done: his worth is recognized), competence, legitimate authority, the legitimate exercise of violence. But uniforms are not the same thing as photographs of uniforms—which are erotic materials and photographs of SS uniforms are the units of a particularly powerful and widespread sexual fantasy. Why the SS? Because the SS was the ideal incarnation of fascism's overt assertion of the righteousness of violence, the right to have total power over others and to treat them as absolutely inferior. It was in the SS that this assertion seemed most complete, because they acted it out in a singularly brutal and efficient manner; and because they dramatized it by linking themselves to certain aesthetic standards. The SS was designed as an elite military community that would be not only supremely violent but also supremely beautiful. (One is not likely to come across a book called "SA Regalia." The SA, whom the SS replaced, were not known for being any less brutal than their successors, but they have gone down in history as beefy, squat, beerhall types; mere brownshirts.)

SS uniforms were stylish, well-cut, with a touch (but not too much) of eccentricity. Compare the rather boring and not very well cut American army uniform: jacket, shirt, tie, pants, socks, and lace-up shoes—essentially civilian clothes no matter how bedecked with medals and badges. SS uniforms were tight, heavy, stiff and included gloves to confine the hands and boots that made legs and feet feel heavy, encased, obliging their wearer to stand up straight....

...Of course, most people who are turned on by SS uniforms are not signifying approval of what the Nazis did, if indeed they have more than the sketchiest idea of what that might be. Nevertheless, there are powerful and growing currents of sexual feeling, those that generally go by the name of sadomasochism, which make playing at Nazism seem erotic. These sadomasochistic fantasies and practices are to be found among heterosexuals as well as homosexuals, although it is among male homosexuals that the eroticizing of Nazism is most visible. S-m, not swinging, is the big sexual secret of the last few years.
[5] It was Genet, in his novel Funeral Rites, who provided one of the first texts that showed the erotic allure fascism exercised on someone who was not a fascist. Another description is by Sartre, an unlikely candidate for these feelings himself, who may have heard about them from Genet. In La Mort dans l’âme (1949), the third novel in his four-part Les Chemins de la liberté, Sartre describes one of his protagonists experiencing the entry of the German army into Paris in 1940: "[Daniel] was not afraid, he yielded trustingly to those thousands of eyes, he thought 'Our conquerors!' and he was supremely happy. He looked them in the eye, he feasted on their fair hair, their sunburned faces with eyes which looked like lakes of ice, their slim bodies, their incredibly long and muscular hips. He murmured: 'How handsome they are!' . . . Something had fallen from the sky: it was the ancient law. The society of judges had collapsed, the sentence had been obliterated; those ghostly little khaki soldiers, the defenders of the rights of man, had been routed. ... An unbearable, delicious sensation spread through his body; he could hardly see properly; he repeated, gasping, 'As if it were butter—they're entering Paris as if it were butter.' He would like to have been a woman to throw them flowers."

Between sadomasochism and fascism there is a natural link. "Fascism is theater," as Genet said.[5] As is sadomasochistic sexuality: to be involved in sadomasochism is to take part in a sexual theater, a staging of sexuality. Regulars of sadomasochistic sex are expert costumers and choreographers as well as performers, in a drama that is all the more exciting because it is forbidden to ordinary people. Sadomasochism is to sex what war is to civil life: the magnificent experience. (Riefenstahl put it: "What is purely realistic, slice of life, what is average, quotidian, doesn't interest me." As the social contract seems tame in comparison with war, so fucking and sucking come to seem merely nice, and therefore unexciting. The end to which all sexual experience tends, as Bataille insisted in a lifetime of writing, is defilement, blasphemy. To be "nice," as to be civilized, means being alienated from this savage experience—which is entirely staged.

Sadomasochism, of course, does not just mean people hurting their sexual partners, which has always occurred—and generally means men beating up women. The perennial drunken Russian peasant thrashing his wife is just doing something he feels like doing (because he is unhappy, oppressed, stupefied; and because women are handy victims). But the perennial Englishman in a brothel being whipped is re-creating an experience. He is paying a whore to act out a piece of theater with him, to reenact or reevoke the past—experiences of his schooldays or nursery which now hold for him a huge reserve of sexual energy. Today it may be the Nazi past that people invoke, in the theatricalization of sexuality, because it is those images (rather than memories) from which they hope a reserve of sexual energy can be tapped. What the French call "the English vice" could, however, be said to be something of an artful affirmation of individuality; the playlet referred, after all, to the subject's own case history. The fad for Nazi regalia indicates something quite different: a response to an oppressive freedom of choice in sex (and in other matters), to an unbearable degree of individuality; the rehearsal of enslavement rather than its reenactment.

The rituals of domination and enslavement being more and more practiced, the art that is more and more devoted to rendering their themes, are perhaps only a logical extension of an affluent society's tendency to turn every part of people's lives into a taste, a choice; to invite them to regard their very lives as a (life) style. In all societies up to now, sex has mostly been an activity (something to do, without thinking about it). But once sex becomes a taste, it is perhaps already on its way to becoming a self-conscious form of theater, which is what sadomasochism is about: a form of gratification that is both violent and indirect, very mental.

Sadomasochism has always been the furthest reach of the sexual experience: when sex becomes most purely sexual, that is, severed from personhood, from relationships, from love. It should not be surprising that it has become attached to Nazi symbolism in recent years. Never before was the relation of masters and slaves so consciously aestheticized. Sade had to make up his theater of punishment and delight from scratch, improvising the decor and costumes and blasphemous rites. Now there is a master scenario available to everyone. The color is black, the material is leather, the seduction is beauty, the justification is honesty, the aim is ecstasy, the fantasy is death.

I think for some BDSM is about pushing boundaries and for others it is merely who and what they are.


 
 

More spanking on the Beeb!

by suzeemoon @ Friday, 25. Jul, 2008 - 23:10:48

I am a huge Radio 4 fan and love Eddie Mair on PM and anything else he does. having heard the stuff on the Mosley case yesterday I visited the PM blog and left a comment and the first half of it was read out by Eddie this evening. I am thrilled.
My posting said:

While I don't find Mr Mosley the most sympathetic of characters, I absolutely believe in his right to privacy and am pleased he won.

People into BDSM (myself included) come from all walks of life, and invasion of privacy makes us all vulnerable. And some of us are teachers, priests, carers, medics etc.

I love the Judge's announcement: the bondage, beating and domination that did take place was typical of S and M behaviour, but there was no public interest or other justification for the clandestine recording, for the publication of the resulting information and still photographs, or for the placing of the video extracts on the News of the World website - all of this on a massive scale.

I'm pretty sure he was twinkling when he suggested people could 'look up' BDSM!:>>

Spanking conversation over at the Beeb

by suzeemoon @ Thursday, 24. Jul, 2008 - 21:57:15

My discussion of spanking in relation to the Mosley case continues and I'm finding it fascinating.
One of the most elegant things I have ever read on the subject was courtesy of Miss Chievors:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio4/F2766779?thread=5663598&skip=80&show=20#p66398734

...Funny old thing Pain. The Giving of it. The Receiving of It. And then there’s its close cousin, Constriction, and that chirpy flirty niece, Humiliation..
None of them present themselves as immediately obvious contenders for sexual expression and lasting satisfaction.
Yet millions upon millions of consenting adults regularly bring up the blood using everything from...

The Mosley case

by suzeemoon @ Thursday, 24. Jul, 2008 - 21:44:45

I'm glad he won, but the sanctimonious stuff from the News of the Screws sticks in the craw.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7523034.stm

I love the judge's statement:

The "bondage, beating and domination" that did take place was "typical of S&M behaviour", he said.

"But there was no public interest or other justification for the clandestine recording, for the publication of the resulting information and still photographs, or for the placing of the video extracts on the News of the World website - all of this on a massive scale.

Editor Myler came out with sanctimonious rubbish and spurious 'justification':

As the head of the richest sport in the world, with almost 125 million members, Mr Mosley had an obligation to honour the standards which its vast membership had every right to expect of him,

Taking part in depraved and brutal S&M orgies on a regular basis does not, in our opinion, constitute the fit and proper behaviour to be expected of someone in his hugely influential position.

Myler maintained that the paper

believed its reports were legitimate and lawful and, moreover, that publication was justified by the public interest in exposing Mr Mosley's serious impropriety.

What total rubbish!

Message?

by suzeemoon @ Tuesday, 22. Jul, 2008 - 14:16:16

I appeared to have a new message here, but couldn't find it! Please accept my apologies if you've sent message and not had reply.
Suzee
xx

More spanking in the media stuff

by suzeemoon @ Thursday, 17. Jul, 2008 - 19:43:18

I've started and been contributing to a discussion on spanking on the Radio 4 Messageboards:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbradio4/F2766779?thread=5663598&skip=0&show=20
I thought the piece written by Jenni Murray was interesting.

More BDSM/Spanking in the Media

by suzeemoon @ Sunday, 13. Jul, 2008 - 11:14:19

I heard excellent piece on spanking on Radio 4's 'Broadcasting House' and sent following email:

Enjoyed the programme as usual. I did wonder what direction you'd go with the spanking item and was rather impressed! I am amused by idea of aerobics class, but would agree with the figure. Submission and spanking stuff tends to be in top five of most female fantasy lists.

As a spankee I agree that it can do wonders for one's sexlife, but this is by no means unanimous among spankos - whether spanking is actually sexual is hotly debated among practitioners.

And those for whom it is sexual but get spanking outside their central relationship, there is often a decision to separate so there is a strict 'no sex' rule. Spanking Daddy made a point of emphasising the sexuality of spanking but I suspect most of his ladies may be 'spanking only'

I have been watching the signs and predicting the mainstreaming of spanking and BDSM for several years now. think it will be a while before it is seen as simply an aspect of our sexuality or sensuality and not a sign of mental weakness or something to be cured, however. That said, it is definitely becoming more mainstream and more discussed, but it does need to be mainstreamed by those that actually do it, which is why it was good to hear from SD!

I recently attended sexuality awareness training and while there was the expected focus of straight/gay from trainers, I brought up issue of understanding and accepting fetish behaviour and orientation. Although some people were amused and/or intrigued (and I didn't actually 'come out'!)no-one was horrified or fell off their chairs and the idea that we may work with people who may be fetishists as well be straight, gay or somewhere on the continuum was taken on board.

Personally I tried to 'cure' myself, but now accept I have what I consider to be dual sexuality. I can get my sexual buzz from good sex or from spanking! I consider that a bonus. My friends 'in the know' are amused and entertained, but other than having new source of gossip and jokes, it hasn't altered the friendships.

BDSM in the News

by suzeemoon @ Friday, 11. Jul, 2008 - 23:43:17

Got into some interesting dialogue re mainstreaning of BDSM and how common etc due to Mosley court case.
This Guardian article seemed balanced to me:
http://tiny.cc/crimeandpunishment
One of the things that came up in discussion was people discussing BDSM to discomfort of others. To me, while I wouldn't wish to deny my kink, I do not believe it appropriate to cause upset - I think it is a matter of manners. And I can see that discussing things that make people uncomfortable can be abusive as well as rude. My attitude to spanking and BDSM conversations is same as to straight sex - Should be sensitive to others and beware 'too much information'


 
 

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