I have an idea for a story based on a housekeeper and based in present time, but wondering about the complexities of plausibility with current legislation and employee rights!
It has to be present time and UK because it is the very implausibilty that will give it the tension. I need to find way of playing with theoretical non-consent within consent. She will have to have agreed, but expected it never to actual happen which gives space for subconscious and/or ambivalence to occur.
I am personally too PC to be comfortable with non-con even in fiction, but love the tension of reluctant consent which tends to be typical of my fantasies rather than straight submissive stuff.
The story is one on the backburner in my head. I have far more ideas than stories that are actually written. I have several unfinished, plus a few that are only a few paras or even a title so I don't forget about them.
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menhir
- Monday, 25. May, 2009 @ 16:39:51
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suzeemoon
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- Monday, 25. May, 2009 @ 17:57:37
You're so right! I read "Wild Sagasso Sea" several years back - What a long and painful gestation for something that inspired so quickly originally. I heard a few episodes of Rhys's story on R4 but not the lot.
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menhir
- Monday, 25. May, 2009 @ 19:26:17
I read the book some years ago. I had mixed thoughts about its substance. I later heard an O.U lecture which considered the text, and my own questions and deliberations, which I had chatted about with hubby, were discussed!
(Not pre-arranged, it just happened). I preened myself, since no-one else was about to do so, and I wasn't doing an O.U. literary criticism course either.
One point came up for me in the Radio 4 readings. That was that Jean had a cousin in London who was a rather good poet. She would not let Jean publish her works, as the cousin thought Jean would steal them. The suggestion was that Jean was genuine, but could not have failed to plagiarise ideas had she had access to the poetry. The title of the prequel to Jane Eyre, came from a line in one of her cousin's poems.
As for inspiring so quickly, originally, I thought the gestation as delivered in the readings, sounded tortuous. A baby born too early, sucked back into the womb, only to awake, once, mentally, in an alcoholic torpor. The woman was a walking nightmare, herself.
Now there's an ambivalent, at times fiery and obsessed character for you to work on.-
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suzeemoon
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- Monday, 25. May, 2009 @ 20:27:09
I understood she actually wrote it originally very quickly then it was destroyed and it took almost a lifetime to write again? Only heard some of series, so I may have got that wrong...
I heard bit about cousin and title.
Despite having studied English in the dim and distant past I seem to have lost my critical faculty with age! I'm part of small, informal book group and not found anything that bad despite others tearing their hair out metaphorically at what they saw as bad books and a couple of them found one of my favourite authors laughable - Oh, well...-
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menhir
- Monday, 25. May, 2009 @ 20:48:40
Jean, herself, tore up the first written draft of the book and burned it. Her then husband wrote at her dictation.
I have given my local book group a rest. It got too heavy. I have adored books that some loathed, and hated others that some loved. Thought spiteful and small-minded, other expositions that many of the group thought super, I did not. (It's easy to laugh at sterotypes of groups of people). One book I nearly threw out of the window, gripped me at p.126. I was irrationally so cross with the author. Some people connected with it from the start. It was the only book I have bought another adult, as I thought it an important work, even though it was a fiction label. It was probably about 150 pages too long. -
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Well suzee, some time ago I recommended that you watch 'The Secretary' did you ever get around to it? That plays with the idea of consent, he knows what she secretly needs to do in order to release her but he still commands her to do it.
Consent is a difficult idea in spanking fantasies though of course absolutely essential in real life because how else do you get someone to submit to being punished. In adult role play that can be the spankee knowing that they have done wrong and needing to be punished to expiate that but with what you have written yourself there is sometimes a sense of the spanker coercing the spanking into accepting their just desserts.
All the best,
Tim-
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suzeemoon
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- Friday, 29. May, 2009 @ 00:44:13
Hi Tim,
The DVD is on shelf in front of me as I type... My Cariad and I intended to watch it together, but somehow never got round to it...
I understand that lots (from both ends, so to speak!) have non-con fantasies and I've no problems with that - just that for me - as said - more comfortable with some level of consent, without being overtly submissive even in fantasy. And that works really well for fiction because it gives an interesting tension - like classic romances and old style screwball comedies.-
So how do you achieve reluctant consent? Doe she secretly desire to be spanked but need persuading in order to go through with it? By the way that sounds a bit like your own path to accepting your sexuality.
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suzeemoon
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- Saturday, 30. May, 2009 @ 01:05:58
Most of my stories are reluctant consent. A few feature someone with a known desire, but usually they are converted by the spanking.
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I fully understand about the paragraphs, the notes, the aides-memoires. There is no point in doing a Jean Reese, keeping it all in your head. Think of what that might do.
"All in the mind"...there's a thought to conject with.
Another naughty boundary in my mind is see if you can gain access to legal detail of the Max Mosely case/s. You may well find some inspiration to unpack there.